How to Get Senior Leadership to Invest in Youth Ministry ft. Andy McGowan | BTYR Podcast • Ep. 30

Ellen Hembree • May 7, 2024

How to Get Senior Leadership to Invest in Youth Ministry ft. Andy McGowan | BTYR Podcast • Ep. 30

Watch Episode 30 of Beyond the Youth Room!


Introduction

In this episode of the Beyond the Youth Room (BTYR) Podcast, the focus is on the importance of gaining support from senior leadership for youth ministry. Andy McGowan, a lead pastor, shares insights from his extensive experience in youth ministry and senior leadership, offering valuable advice on how to integrate a gospel-advancing philosophy within the church.

Main Points

1. Importance of Senior Leadership Support

  • Andy emphasizes the necessity of having senior pastors and church leadership onboard with youth ministry goals. He explains that youth ministry cannot thrive in isolation; it needs the support and understanding of the entire church hierarchy.

2. Andy's Background and Journey

  • Andy recounts his journey from aspiring meteorologist to youth pastor and eventually lead pastor. His experience in youth ministry, especially his accidental but transformative participation in a Dare 2 Share conference, highlights the impact of gospel-advancing strategies on youth groups.

3. Challenges and Triumphs in Youth Ministry

  • Andy shares stories of his early days in youth ministry, including significant growth in his youth group and the community impact of collaborative efforts among local youth ministries. He also discusses the struggles, such as dealing with youth suicides and the need for unity among church ministries.

4. Transition to Lead Pastor

  • The transition from youth pastor to lead pastor was driven by Andy's desire to see the whole church embrace a gospel-advancing mindset. He explains that youth ministry alone can only achieve so much; a church-wide commitment is necessary for sustained impact.

5. Prayer and Patience

  • Andy underscores the power of prayer and patience in ministry. He advises youth leaders to pray for their senior pastors and to seek understanding and alignment through persistent and humble communication.

6. Building Relationships with Senior Leadership

  • Practical advice is given on how to build relationships with senior pastors and church boards. Andy suggests regular communication, sharing successes and challenges, and involving senior leadership in youth ministry activities.

7. The Role of Gospel Training and Resources

  • Andy recommends utilizing resources from organizations like Dare 2 Share to equip youth pastors and church leadership. He shares how these tools have helped his church align with a gospel-advancing philosophy.

8. Longevity and Impact in Ministry

  • The discussion highlights the importance of long-term commitment in ministry. Andy and the host share personal experiences of staying in one ministry context for extended periods, which has allowed them to see deeper and more significant changes.

9. Encouragement for Youth Leaders

  • For youth leaders feeling unsupported, Andy advises focusing on prayer, building relationships, and seeking training. He encourages them to be patient and persistent, trusting that God will work through their efforts.

10. Fun Fact: Andy's Soda Collection

  • In a lighter moment, Andy reveals his unique hobby of collecting sodas, which he has even sold to fund family vacations. This quirky insight adds a personal touch to the interview.

Conclusion

The episode concludes with a call to action for youth leaders to invest in relationships with their senior pastors and church boards, to pray diligently, and to utilize available resources to foster a gospel-advancing culture within their churches. Andy's journey and advice provide a roadmap for youth pastors seeking to gain the support and investment of their senior leadership.

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